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Old 04-09-2004, 04:23 PM   #1
Ade Fewings
 
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UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/sun_kills_us5/

Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Sparc line? I think
maybe it does. I can imagine Fujitsu chips filling in the Sparc high-end
for a bit, but i suspect AMD64, IBM's POWER chips and [unfortunately]
Intel's offering[s] will be the sole competitors on the market in a few
years. It seems that Sun's chip development will be focused on bringing
together some of the stuff in Niagra and Rock which will presumably be
focused on multi-core lower-performance than the high end SMP stuff that
UltraSPARC used to be.

And if this all changes where does the future lie? Given time will
Solaris become non-sparc focused? Where does the line get drawn - when
Sun contributes stuff to Linux and ends up focusing on that? To some
extent it seems to me to be a question of where the line gets drawn and
how to draw it - how do Sun stop the gradual slide - in fact, should they
stop it? This news and the Microsoft stuff may be the best business
sense, but it threatens to take away some of what makes Sun what they are
and in my view a world without that would be a poorer world. Perhaps a
market niche or area of some sort of realy top-quality support and work
could be found, but i fear that Sun as we know it may be dissapearing.
This is particularly a shame as i have been more excited than for a long
time with things like Project Looking Glass and some of the Solaris 10
features coming soon.

What does anybody else think?

All the best
Ade

 
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Old 04-09-2004, 04:54 PM   #2
Robert Pouliot
 
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Re: UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0404092310560.12193-100000@publix>, Ade Fewings wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/sun_kills_us5/
>
> Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Sparc line? I think
> maybe it does. I can imagine Fujitsu chips filling in the Sparc high-end
> for a bit, but i suspect AMD64, IBM's POWER chips and [unfortunately]


Maybe Sun will instead do an alliance with Fujitsu, since their Sparc64
seem better than Sun UltraSparc. Sun best product is IMHO Solaris, not
their UltraSparc themselves.

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Old 04-10-2004, 03:12 AM   #3
Andreas Wohlfeld
 
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Re: UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

Robert Pouliot wrote:
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0404092310560.12193-100000@publix>, Ade Fewings wrote:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/sun_kills_us5/
>>
>> Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Sparc line? I think
>> maybe it does. I can imagine Fujitsu chips filling in the Sparc high-end
>> for a bit, but i suspect AMD64, IBM's POWER chips and [unfortunately]

>
> Maybe Sun will instead do an alliance with Fujitsu, since their Sparc64
> seem better than Sun UltraSparc. Sun best product is IMHO Solaris, not
> their UltraSparc themselves.
>

Yeah. Looks like Sun will concentrate on low-end CPUs, their software (OS,
Java, etc.) and the assembly of Sparc64 CPUs into high-end SMP, and such.

If you look it that way, nothing is lost at all. And there're still US-III+
and US-IV+ to come.

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Old 04-10-2004, 04:49 AM   #4
Roland Mainz
 
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Re: UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

Ade Fewings wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/sun_kills_us5/
>
> Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Sparc line?


I only did a quick look at the article... but it seems that Sun is
simply skipping two generations in the roadmap (anyone please correct me
if I am wrong). SPARC seems to be alive - and maybe even better than
ever before (the disadvantage is that Sun engineering may not get any
feedback from the planned (and now cancelled) chips and now runs into a
completely new design-land. But remember... UltraSPARC-I's "birth" was
similar "rougth"...).

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Old 04-13-2004, 01:17 PM   #5
Alan Coopersmith
 
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Re: UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

Ade Fewings <eepa11@bangor.ac.uk> writes in comp.unix.solaris:
|http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/sun_kills_us5/

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0412sunyen.html

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Old 04-13-2004, 03:19 PM   #6
John D Groenveld
 
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Re: UltraSparc V & Gemini cancelled

In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0404092310560.12193-100000@publix>,
Ade Fewings <eepa11@bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
>Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Sparc line? I think


Doubtful.
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