Any suggestions?

Nextel says we can have this added to the drivers phones but their GPS
doesn't seem to work very well, as far as finding satellites.

Thanks!

admin too wrote:
> Any suggestions?
>
> Nextel says we can have this added to the drivers phones but their GPS
> doesn't seem to work very well, as far as finding satellites.
>
> Thanks!

Do I dare to say it? Here are some suggestions:

[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/gps-car-tracking.html[/url]

[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/teen-tracking.html[/url]

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"Andreas van Hooijdonk" <ahooijdZ@piZ.beZ (NOZ)> wrote in message
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> admin too wrote:
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Nextel says we can have this added to the drivers phones but their GPS
> > doesn't seem to work very well, as far as finding satellites.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Do I dare to say it? Here are some suggestions:

Please do. I'm a newb.

> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/gps-car-tracking.html[/url]
>
> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/teen-tracking.html[/url]

It seems the 3100-INT would do. We don't need real time. Just an occasional
audit.

I use a Nextel phone to track using a third party provider (cell-tell.com)
and the phone (i88s) does a great job of obtaining satellites. As a matter
of fact, I am sitting in my basement right now and the phone is picking up
three satellites. There are several providers for these types of systems on
the Nextel phones, and I think one of them is actually free for a while, so
you could try it out for a bit. They differentiate themselves on how the
data is presented, history, messaging, etc.


"admin too" <nguser2u@no.spam.AOL.com> wrote in message
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> Any suggestions?
>
> Nextel says we can have this added to the drivers phones but their GPS
> doesn't seem to work very well, as far as finding satellites.
>
> Thanks!
>
>

Forgot to mention a couple of things...

1. If the phone can't see enough satellites, it will report the location of
the cell tower it is in communication with

2. If the phone is out of Nextel coverage area, it will cache the GPS points
and send them when the phone is back in coverage area.

Hope this helps you research your options.


"Phillip T. Murphy" <pStPmAuMrphy@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I use a Nextel phone to track using a third party provider (cell-tell.com)
> and the phone (i88s) does a great job of obtaining satellites. As a
matter
> of fact, I am sitting in my basement right now and the phone is picking up
> three satellites. There are several providers for these types of systems
on
> the Nextel phones, and I think one of them is actually free for a while,
so
> you could try it out for a bit. They differentiate themselves on how the
> data is presented, history, messaging, etc.
>
>
> "admin too" <nguser2u@no.spam.AOL.com> wrote in message
> news:10ftir2lbnn5971@news.supernews.com...
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Nextel says we can have this added to the drivers phones but their GPS
> > doesn't seem to work very well, as far as finding satellites.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>

Phillip T. Murphy wrote:
> I use a Nextel phone to track using a third party provider
> (cell-tell.com) and the phone (i88s) does a great job of obtaining
> satellites. As a matter of fact, I am sitting in my basement right
> now and the phone is picking up three satellites. There are several
> providers for these types of systems on the Nextel phones, and I
> think one of them is actually free for a while, so you could try it
> out for a bit. They differentiate themselves on how the data is
> presented, history, messaging, etc.
>
>
Phillip,

Did you ever have the opportunity to compare the A-GPS in the i88s with
an "ordinary GPS receiver"?

See my yesterday's post "Anyone did it under dense trees, using a
Motorola i58sr or i88s?"

I would very much like to hear how these compare.

regards
--
Andreas van Hooijdonk
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]

"Andreas van Hooijdonk" <ahooijdZ@piZ.beZ (NOZ)> wrote in message
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>
> Did you ever have the opportunity to compare the A-GPS in the i88s with
> an "ordinary GPS receiver"?
>
> See my yesterday's post "Anyone did it under dense trees, using a
> Motorola i58sr or i88s?"
>
> I would very much like to hear how these compare.
>
> regards
> --
> Andreas van Hooijdonk
> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]
>


Yes, I have used both a traditional GPS (Garmin eMap in this case) and a
i88s phone. The i88s is much better at getting satellites for some reason.
I know the Nextel network has a "GPS Assist" function, and I don't know if
that makes a difference or not.

My i88s will get a fix in places my eMap never dreamed of getting a signal.

Phillip T. Murphy wrote:
> "Andreas van Hooijdonk" <ahooijdZ@piZ.beZ (NOZ)> wrote in message
> news:YN-dnYOHCfD-dWLdRVnyjQ@scarlet.biz...
>>
>> Did you ever have the opportunity to compare the A-GPS in the i88s
>> with an "ordinary GPS receiver"?
>>
>> See my yesterday's post "Anyone did it under dense trees, using a
>> Motorola i58sr or i88s?"
>>
>> I would very much like to hear how these compare.
>>
>> regards
>> --
>> Andreas van Hooijdonk
>> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]
>>
>
>
> Yes, I have used both a traditional GPS (Garmin eMap in this case)
> and a i88s phone. The i88s is much better at getting satellites for
> some reason. I know the Nextel network has a "GPS Assist" function,
> and I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
>
> My i88s will get a fix in places my eMap never dreamed of getting a
> signal.

Phillip,

Many thanks for your prompt reply. I really hoped to read this.

FYI, this article explains why the i88s should perform better than your
eMap and any other Garmin/Magellan.:
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html[/url]

regards
--
Andreas van Hooijdonk
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]

Phillip T. Murphy wrote:
> "Andreas van Hooijdonk" <ahooijdZ@piZ.beZ (NOZ)> wrote in message
> news:YN-dnYOHCfD-dWLdRVnyjQ@scarlet.biz...
>>
>> Did you ever have the opportunity to compare the A-GPS in the i88s
>> with an "ordinary GPS receiver"?
>>
>
> Yes, I have used both a traditional GPS (Garmin eMap in this case)
> and a i88s phone. The i88s is much better at getting satellites for
> some reason. I know the Nextel network has a "GPS Assist" function,
> and I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
>
> My i88s will get a fix in places my eMap never dreamed of getting a
> signal.

Some-one compared a Nextel phone with another GPS receiver?

Some-one else is exited about Phillip's answer? Doesn't this indicate
that a GPS-alone will never be a real competitor for an A-GPS device? In
Europe with more than 90% GSM coverage, this would work perfectly. But
no luck. A couple of months ago Orange launched a "unique,
revolutionary, first of its kind" navigation system for 2 GSM phones
with a separate Bluetooth GPS receiver !! (no A-GPS).

--
Andreas van Hooijdonk
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]

Andreas van Hooijdonk schrieb:

> Many thanks for your prompt reply. I really hoped to read this.
>
> FYI, this article explains why the i88s should perform better than your
> eMap and any other Garmin/Magellan.:
> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html[/url]

The i88s contains a standard SIRF-II core. That's the only real reason
why it performs better under trees compared to the eMap. Just like any
other SIRF-II receiver. The A-GPS part does only help in aquiring a
faster fix.

- carsten


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Andreas van Hooijdonk schrieb:

> Some-one else is exited about Phillip's answer? Doesn't this indicate
> that a GPS-alone will never be a real competitor for an A-GPS device? In
> Europe with more than 90% GSM coverage, this would work perfectly. But
> no luck. A couple of months ago Orange launched a "unique,
> revolutionary, first of its kind" navigation system for 2 GSM phones
> with a separate Bluetooth GPS receiver !! (no A-GPS).

Have you ever compared an eMap to a standard SIRF-II receiver without
A-GPS? I guess we talked over the A-GPS issue a few times.

Currently, SIRF xTrac I/II is the most sensitive GPS technology
available. Does that drive Garmin or Magellan mad? No, because the
quality and usability of a receiver is a larger complex than just single
features like sensivity. What GPSR features does the i88 offer? Barely
any!

- Carsten

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Carsten Kurz wrote:
> Andreas van Hooijdonk schrieb:
>
>> Many thanks for your prompt reply. I really hoped to read this.
>>
>> FYI, this article explains why the i88s should perform better than
>> your eMap and any other Garmin/Magellan.:
>> [url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html[/url]
>
> The i88s contains a standard SIRF-II core. That's the only real reason
> why it performs better under trees compared to the eMap. Just like any
> other SIRF-II receiver. The A-GPS part does only help in aquiring a
> faster fix.
>
> - carsten

Carsten,

In Tokyo people with KDDI phones with gpsOne A-GPS receivers (No SiRF
II) do not loose a fix, so it does not only help in aquiring a "faster"
fix.

Here is a whitepaper from SnapTrack, that, in my opinion, is rather
clear about it:

[url]http://www.snaptrack.com/pdf/ion2002_qualcomm_hybrid_agps.pdf[/url]

I also think that you prefer feeling it with your own fingers and seeing
it with your own eyes, but it will come our way.

regards
--
Andreas van Hooijdonk
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]

Carsten Kurz wrote
:
I guess we talked over the A-GPS issue a few times.

And we will talk a lot more about it, once it will be touchable for us
Europeans.

>
> Currently, SIRF xTrac I/II is the most sensitive GPS technology
> available. Does that drive Garmin or Magellan mad? No, because the
> quality and usability of a receiver is a larger complex than just
> single features like sensivity. What GPSR features does the i88
> offer? Barely any!

I am a believer, but I do not believe that only Garmin and Magellan can
master the complexities of a good GPS receiver.

regards
--
Andreas van Hooijdonk
[url]http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com[/url]

Andreas van Hooijdonk schrieb:

> I am a believer, but I do not believe that only Garmin and Magellan can
> master the complexities of a good GPS receiver.

Well, if other companies can, they should quickly start doing it. I do
believe there is a huge market for GPS/location enabled phones when it
comes to street level routing with voice guiding and server supplied
maps/routing. That's a natural extension of cell phones with colour
display and smartphones. But: That market is not the only GPSR market.

All current A-GPS phones have very poor GPS user interfaces. Some hide
that functionality completely and can only be used for tracking or
E-911. Those will never compete with Garmin, Magellan, Lowrance and
others currently in the market. Cellphone companies target larger
markets. They have no interest and knowledge in providing gear for
special interest groups. The weakest point of A-GPS is certainly that
your need GPS most where there is no network coverage. Well, not quite
true for urban jungles ...

So, if you mean that GPS enabled phones will be sold in the hundreds of
millions soon - you are certainly right. But they will be GPS enabled
phones - not GPS receivers as we use the word here.

- Carsten

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